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Post by RamHunter on Dec 1, 2003 7:01:11 GMT -5
Ive been doing some research and Leupold scopes seem to be the most used. I hear things about brightness and clarity. I own two scopes One is a Tasco Proghorn 4x32 (20.00 gun show), the other is a 3x9x50 Simmons wiht a bore sighter(30.00 gun show). So how much better would a Leupold, Redfield, Burris,Nikon and any other good($$$) scope be in terms of accuracy. Will the same rifel shoot tighter groups with the leupold that with the Tasco?? Ive never seen a camparison made so any info helpful, thanks
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 1, 2003 9:43:26 GMT -5
I have owned tascos,simons,bushnells and others through the years and no a given rifle wont nessarily shoot that much better(cause x marks the spot reguardless)however what you pay for in a higher price scope is simply you can see your target better,and the better you are able to see the better you are able to shoot
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Post by Bobcat on Dec 1, 2003 10:03:34 GMT -5
......it might also last a LOT longer......
There are many good quality lower priced scopes like the B&L Elite 3200. Go read the Leupold thread about their scopes. It will give you a pretty good idea of what you get as you go up in price. In optics, you do tend to get what you pay for.
Good Hunting,
Bob
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 1, 2003 10:12:20 GMT -5
bobcat you are absolutely right(forgot to mention longivity)
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Post by Mikie on Dec 1, 2003 10:57:01 GMT -5
Yes X does mark the spot on any scpoe,but the better the scope it will hold the X better. It will help you shoot a tighter group.Not to take anything away from tasco etc..
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Post by texasshooter on Dec 1, 2003 16:27:59 GMT -5
one of the things that is extremely important to me is what I call the "return to zero". For instance, when shooting prairie dogs, I don't "hold over" I use a drop table and dial in the elevation. The distances are always changing from 100yds to 600yds or beyond. I am constantly changing the elevation on the scope. What I need is a scope that will retun to zero everytime. This is a big differnence in the lower priced scopes and the higher priced scopes. While I am very impressed with the B&L Elite 4200, in my experience the return to zero is not as consistent as the Leupold. That being said, on a "hunting" rifle you don't constantly change the elevation and windage. So this is where a good quality lower priced scope will work just fine. I have the B&L Elite 3200 4-12 on my 7mm08 for hunting whitetail deer and I wouldn't change it. But all my match rifles and prairie doggin rifles have the Leupold 6.5-20 LRT and one has the Nightforce 12-42 NXS.
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Post by ICMCumin on Dec 1, 2003 21:30:00 GMT -5
......it might also last a LOT longer...... In optics, you do tend to get what you pay for. Bob - I agree with you - up to a point. I really question if you get more with a Swarovski than you do with,say a Burris Black Diamond or an upper end Leupold to name a couple. I get the distinct feeling that you pay an awful lot just to have the Swarovski eagle prominently displayed on your scope. I wonder if you really get more since you're paying a whole lot more. But quite frankly this is a fairly uninformed opinion on my part since I don't own any of these scopes nor have I made a physical comparison so take this post for what its worth. |
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Post by slammy on Dec 7, 2003 10:58:40 GMT -5
ICMCummin,
You nailed it. There is an upper limit in cost that once you go past that you're just chunkin money after that name. I'm not expert enough to know precisely where that limit is, but from personal experience it seems to be around $500.00 to $600.00. In my opinion, for my usage, paying more than that for any brand of scope is a waste of money. The extreme upper end scopes may offer certain advantages for niche groups, but for me the main question is...Can I see that cat in the scope when I need to?, Does it hold zero in real world usage?
By the way, I apologize for using the word "niche".
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Post by Bobcat on Dec 7, 2003 11:04:16 GMT -5
I agree with both of you........no "S's" in my safe. There is a point of diminishing return.....
If you have the bucks and want the best, good for you. I don't........I also don't drive a $100,000 car.
Bob
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Post by BozoWise on Dec 10, 2003 10:08:05 GMT -5
I have found light gathering qualities to be more prevalent in the higher dollar scopes. When the lights start to go out on the p-dogs. I can still see them with me leupy and not the cheaper scopes. I too own no more S's but have in the past  |
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Post by littletoes on Dec 15, 2003 22:47:50 GMT -5
Well, I am new here, but I will give my two cents, of cource it may not be worth that much! The high end scopes do have something going for them. As BozoWise and others have stated, they do gather more light. Ever look through one? Some are flat amazing. If someone wanted to give me one, just tell me, I'll send 'em my address! Nightforce, USOptics, S&B, Swarovski, Leica, ect. and some others. Ever shoot 1000 yards? Thats when you notice the diferance. And of cource durability. Nightforce claims a 16d nail can be driven with any of their line. Yea, none of us want too, but you get the picture. I have shot through several Bushnell's and Tasco's, they just don't compare, in any way, hands down, no argument. It doesn't mean that they don't fill a niche. And I DO think the Elite series of scopes are one of the best values for the buck. I also think Nikon makes some great scopes for the money. Ever hear of "click" value? When you run a scope up and down a lot, the good ones will return to center again and again. Don't try this with a cheapy. We buy what we can afford, simple. That doesn't make it good or bad. I can't get my dad to try Leupold, he won't spend that much on a scope, I like 'em. Cource, I can't afford a Nightforce, but think I would like them too!
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Post by Krustyklimber on Dec 16, 2003 17:25:35 GMT -5
Actually I think I might be a great candidate to answer this question... One of the guns I shoot wears a nice Lupy 4x. The other an old Weaver K-6. (not junk, but not great) On a gloomy day I find myself frustratedly searching my scope for a target (and the stupid target dot reticle) with the Weaver. I can set aside the 222 and pick up the 06 with the Luepold, and it's like someone turned on the sun! It's a lot like wearing dirty glasses and then cleaning them (and yes I keep my scope lenses clean ), the clarity of the Lupy is so much better it actually seems more powerful then the Weaver even though it is less. The Lupy has lived on the rifle for maybe 25 years or more, and has never ever needed adjustment, every deer season it's been taken out and it's perfect POI varified before going hunting... now I just laugh when someone says "you're gonna make sure it's still shootin' good right?" (then I prove it) I just wish I was as good a shot as Ol' Gramps was! Funny, until I got to use Gramp's gun, I never met a scope I didn't like... now I know what I was missing! Krusty  |
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Post by littletoes on Dec 18, 2003 19:36:27 GMT -5
Hey KK! Honest, I ain't follerin' you!
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Post by M40a3Shooter on Dec 22, 2003 22:51:36 GMT -5
Texas Shooter raised an invaluable point.........return to zero....
X marks the spot......however it helps if you can get from X to Y and back to X again without repeatability issues.......
Ive had everything from Tasco, to US Optics, Aimpoint and C More....
I have one 22lr bolt rifle now and it has a lil simmons 22 mag....stays set and has taken a beating.....
I have one centerfire bolt rifle......and it wears a Premiere Reticles Leupold 6.5-20x50LRT with the Mk knobs in a USMC Mil Dot.....
Happy Holidays fellas.......
Bruce
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Post by littletoes on Dec 31, 2003 18:43:59 GMT -5
Hi-ya Bruce, got me a Premier M3, an M1, a VX-II, and another VX-III 6.5-20 AO EFR AR. Used a couple of simmons, one or two Bushnels, only one Burris that I can remember, oh yea, and a couple of Ta-basco's. They all shoot, the better ones just gather light better, cut out contrast better, and arn't quite so "smokey."
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