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Post by NechesBobcat on Feb 16, 2004 22:10:17 GMT -5
I realy don't see the difference in my picture and the picture of the red wolf.
The coyotes that the friend of mine that I mentioned was catching look identical to the picture on the bottom, but everything around where I hunt looks like the picture on top, of the red wolf.
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Post by TexasDoc on Feb 17, 2004 0:22:07 GMT -5
Hey,In my years of hunting yotes I ahve never seen a 70 pound one yet.I wouldn't say that it is not possible abut I would think it would be more like South Texas then East texas.Do you have a photo of this thing? are you sure its not as Coydog as I ahve taken afew of them that would go over 100 pounds easy. As for Red Wolves in in East Texas I would have to say I would have to see it for my self. the only wolves I have seen as a Wildlife Damage control officer where in west of Del Rio and they are transplants from Mexico.as far as East texas I talked to a bud at Parks adn Wildlife and he stated that they have never received a report from East Txas on any Wolves. if you should see one I ask that you get a Photo and send it to me.
Most of the yotes I ahve taken from east Texas where in the 15 to 30 Pound range and where fairly healthy.
I would still like to see a pic of a 70lb.yote .
Doc
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Post by jhoward on Feb 17, 2004 8:32:56 GMT -5
hey fellas iv'e seen coyote's from mexico to wyoming and new hampshire to california i see alot of differance in them in size color and habit's the one's in texas where i grew up were small,dark and hard to hunt in wyoming they were bigger and bolder lighter in color and i didn't hunt any there but killed a bunch of them while feeding stock here in colorado where i live now they are kind of in the middle size wise they seem to be more colors and are hard to kill when feeding as everyone shoots at them however on this ranch there's not alot of callers so they are fairly easy to call for now but i'm shure that will change as i educate a few of them as for the 70+pound coyote in east texas the photo is convincing but i think that's a freak deal to see one that big almost anywhere i've been
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Post by TommyJ on Feb 17, 2004 8:49:53 GMT -5
Bob you sure that last photo isnt a coyote, mistaken to be a wolf? Every chacteristic on that thing is coyote, wirey bushy tail to the narrow snout. If it aint, Ive only been shootin wolves.
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Post by TexasDoc on Feb 17, 2004 9:42:52 GMT -5
Well, there is a good chances that you got a Hybred mix of a Timber wolf? ? or some other wolf. I looked at the picture and also had a Friend at Parks look at it,he thinks and I total agree its a Hybred of something. I will keep looking and see if I can find a record of any wolves in the east Texas Area. Doc
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Post by Bobcat on Feb 17, 2004 9:55:44 GMT -5
Hey TJ.......Dead certain. Here is another photo form the US Fish & Wildlife Service of a Red Wolf. They are VERY similar to coyotes but are much larger. I have seen them in North Carolina where they are breeding them in captivity. I personally think what NB trapped was one of the hybrid descendants of the Red Wolf here in Texas based on the info so far. NB, what did you do with it?? Do you have any more photos? Bob "Red wolves have tall, pointed ears, long legs, and large feet, similar to the domestic German shepherd. Adult red wolves stand about 26 inches at the shoulder and are about 4 feet long from the tip of the nose to the end of the tail." " Adult coyotes weigh about one-half to two-thirds as much as red wolves and stand approximately 4 inches shorter; coyotes are much less massive through the head, chest, legs, and feet." "When the few remaining red wolves were unable to find mates of their own species hybridization with more abundant coyotes did occur. This hybridization is generally accepted as the final factor that resulted in the near extinction of the red wolf."
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Post by TommyJ on Feb 17, 2004 13:57:01 GMT -5
I believe you Bob, but its so close to a yote its unreal!
Interesting to say the least. The red wolf must be the link between the grey wolf and the coyote, recon?
To me a wolf looks obviously like a wolf, those Mexican wolves everyone was so worried about shooting in Arizona didnt look a thing like a coyote. The colors were all wrong and the physical composition didnt even match. But that thing looks like a yote. Is its DNA match that of a wolf seclusively or is there some yote thrown in? I know its a dumb question. But if one of them guys came into a stand I wouldnt know the difference.
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Post by TommyJohnson on Feb 17, 2004 14:41:20 GMT -5
I thought some would find this interesting. I never knew of the reintroduction of the "Mexican Wolf" until I left to hunt Arizona a few months back. Since then the recovery process has sparked and interest. Ive been keeping up with the conflicts, deaths, pack statuses etc. Thought I'd throw this in here, mexicanwolf.fws.gov/
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Post by NechesBobcat on Feb 17, 2004 14:45:29 GMT -5
OK... So what I have been catching are actualy wolves because they are too big to be a coyote? I have the pelt in my freezer. Your descriptions of what a red wolf is supposed to be matches what I have been catching "to the T". I have more pictures of some that I caught that I will try to get developed this weekend when I go home. This is a picture of the first and smallest i have caught. This one looks pretty thick but he was almost all fur. He probably weighed 45-50. I have caught some that looked smaller than this one but weighed more. I am 5' 7" and it was as long as me. I have caught or shot 9 in the past 3 years all within about 1 square mile and have seen many more.
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Post by TommyJohnson on Feb 17, 2004 15:03:26 GMT -5
Nechesbobcat, the only 100% for certain way to tell what it is, is to DNA test it. If you knew of a state biologist in your area he could give a pretty good opinion on what the heck it is. There are 7.5' humans walking around, although 5'5"-5'8" is the norm.
Thats pretty darn interesting what you have there. Maybe your in the middle of the last known wild population. Do you come across many of em? Id be interested in a pelt, if you do.
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Post by NechesBobcat on Feb 17, 2004 15:13:29 GMT -5
In the woods in Southeast Texas, you rarely see them because it is so thick but I have seen a group of 5 running down an old logging road in front of me and every evening you can hear them howling in the thickest brush. Last year a friend and I were within 40 yards of about 20 of them howling at night while we were getting ready to go hunting. We first thought someone was right beside us yelling at us. I have never heard such and erie sound. You can't look in a sandy ditch or road and not see a track around there.
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Post by NechesBobcat on Feb 17, 2004 16:12:42 GMT -5
I have a question now...
Is it illegal to kill a red wolf? Because if it is, these are just big coyotes.
And... What do ya'll think of the picture of the coyote in the trap in the trapping section in "Neches River Coyotes"? Is it possible that could be a red wolf? It was caught in the same place as the 70+ pound one
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Post by TexasDoc on Feb 17, 2004 16:40:32 GMT -5
Yes it is unlawful to Hunt,Kill,trap Wolves in texas with that said it is not unlawful to Hunt,Trap or kill a Hybred of a wolve .I still think that you have a Hybred of a Coyote,Dog or wolf.
the only way to tell is to do a DNA on the animal you are harvesting. this is a simple you can take it to a Vet. and have him send it to A&M for testing and the cost is only about 150.00.
If you would like i am coming to east Texas in the first part of March and would be willing to look at what you are Harvesting.
TexasDoc
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Post by NechesBobcat on Feb 17, 2004 17:09:22 GMT -5
I am a bit curious to it's genetics but I'd hate to pay 150 big ones just to find out it was part poodle.
What part of East Texas are you coming to?
I am in Waxahachie right now at school so I would have to meet you on a weekend or over my spring break which is March 12-21.
I've been thinking about getting one of the pelts tanned just to keep.
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