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Post by CoonDawg on Feb 1, 2004 21:08:27 GMT -5
BobR you might want to trade that o/u and get you an autoloader just in case you get one of those nasty cats that wont back down  Plus it gives you a couple of extra rounds of insurance  |
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Post by Bobcat on Feb 1, 2004 21:16:07 GMT -5
CD,
He has the Savage Model 24......rifle/shotgun combo....
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Post by CoonDawg on Feb 1, 2004 21:24:15 GMT -5
Ok, but I'ld still rather have more shots  |
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Post by doorgunner on Feb 2, 2004 0:34:28 GMT -5
Coondawg: I'm in total agreement with you. I've always believed that "it's better to have it, and not need it, than to need it and not have it". A good pump or semiauto shotgun would seem to be a good insurance policy for following up a wounded lion. Never had to, so I'm just thinking from a novices point of view.  |
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Post by BobR on Feb 2, 2004 1:48:59 GMT -5
I have had to look for a wounded bear at night, and a wounded lion. Never found the bear but I did find the lion, and it was very much alive. I was five feet from it before I saw it. I thrive on excitement like this.
bob
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Post by doorgunner on Feb 2, 2004 1:53:45 GMT -5
Well Bob, like I always say: "If your not living on the edge, then your taking up too much space". A little adrenaline rush every now and then keeps the old arteries cleaned out! Sounds like you might indeed be in need of a pump or semiauto 12 guage.
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Post by BobR on Feb 2, 2004 2:09:27 GMT -5
Rick, I was gone all day, and I did not realize this thread had two pages. I appreciate the offer, but the only help I need is with all the cats around here. You are welcome to come help with that any time.
Doorgunner, I was a doorgunner in Viet Nam. I survived that and not much bothers me any more. There will be a couple of you Texans coming up this way in September. ( that is if one of you can win the contest)
and you guys will see how frightened I am of these bears and cats.
Calling at night here, you will be right on the ground with the critters, and I can promise it can get VERY exciting. There is no riding around in pickup trucks with 12 foot high chairs around here. It is down on the ground face to face so to speak.
Bob
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Post by Bearmanric on Feb 2, 2004 2:22:01 GMT -5
BobR are you busy this week.
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Post by BobR on Feb 2, 2004 7:25:27 GMT -5
Rick, I was with a guy for 7 hours yesterday. He is 74 years old and been hunting cats for 50 years. I learned a bunch about cats and tracking them in that 7 hours.
I am going to be hunting most every day now. I have some repairs I need to be working on next door at our rental property. I will be doing that evenings and nights.
You can stay at our rental. If you need directions, let me know before 7:00 AM. I am going cat hunting then. If your wife will let you get away for awhile, you should come on over.
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Joe
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Ozark, Arkansas
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Post by Joe on Feb 2, 2004 8:00:51 GMT -5
We too have tested buckshot, ( #00, #000) with various chokes....we found 25-35 yards max EFFECTIVE range with any degree of certainty. Yes, sometimes it would exceed this range up to about 40-45 yards, BUT it would fail regularly at that distance. Our criteria may have been different from yours, as we were looking for an instant cestation of all hostile activities.
Yes, the tighter chokes do in fact deform the soft lead pellets, and cause them to perform erradically. The plated shot performed better, but not by a great margin in our tests.
Our department went to #1 buckshot for general issue, with the increased pattern density off setting the lighter (and more plentiful) pellets. We still use #00 and slugs for "other " things.
Our shotguns are now Remington 1187, with 18 in barrels, and extended magazines. Our "specialty" teams are issued Benellis with 14 in barrels.......
My suggestion to you, ( for what it is worth). is to get a pump or semi-auto, and load it candy cane. That is 1st round either #1 buck or slug, 2nd round opposite to the first one, and alternate every round. If you were legal in your state to have an extended magazine, your last 2 or 3 "desperation" rounds could then be #00 for up close and dirty work.
I am unaware of your circumstances, and am guilty sometimes to err on the side of caution...but I came home every night for 25 years without a scratch, working a very remote area and always by myself.
It is of course your call, and my suggestions are probably worth about what it cost to read them :)
Good luck and take care...
Joe#nosmileys
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Post by BobR on Feb 2, 2004 8:38:34 GMT -5
Joe, I thank you for taking the time to relay your testing info. I can see that I am going to do some testing myself to see what works best for me.
I have learned quite a bit about hunting the big cats over the past few years. As soon as they figure out that I am not what they thought I was,(day or night) they leave the area. They are not apt to charge like lions and tigers. They usually stop just at the brush line to check out the situation. I did have a big cat get within 20 yards of me one night. I never knew it was there until I turned on the ignition switch on My Honda. But that was because I set up the stand wrong. My headlights came on and there it was. I have confidence that I am alert to my surroundings and my ability to use my weapons. The weapons that I have will do fine as soon as I figure out the right combination of chokes and shot. These cats don't have guns, and they are not shooting back at me. I have been messing with these cats for a number of years now, and I don't think what I am doing is near as dangerous as most folks think it might be.
Thanks for the info,Bob
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Joe
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Ozark, Arkansas
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Post by Joe on Feb 2, 2004 12:38:02 GMT -5
NP Bob.....anytime.
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hunter9850
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West Monroe, Louisiana
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Post by hunter9850 on Feb 2, 2004 20:22:51 GMT -5
as far as energy goes i dont know exactly how far buckshot carrys its energy. but if you are looking for pattern density look for a Rhino. in my 870 i have a Rhino .660 2 inch extended choke tube and as far as patterns density it is awesome. with winchester copperplated #4 buckshot it shots a pattern of 41 pellets about 25 inches in diameter at 60 yards. with the #00 buckshot it will shoot an 18 pellet pattern of about 23 inches at the same distance. now i will say this i have never shot a critter at this range and i have never shot one of the big cats only coyotes and bobcats out ot about 35 to 40 yards so i dont know how the killing energy is at extended ranges but out to 40 yards it will sweep them off their feet for good.
HUNTER
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Post by CoonDawg on Feb 2, 2004 23:19:06 GMT -5
Hunter where did you get your Rhino choke from?
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hunter9850
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West Monroe, Louisiana
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Post by hunter9850 on Feb 3, 2004 17:12:25 GMT -5
i ordered my rhino choke from nitro company. they make shotshells loaded with hevi shot for turkeys. i bought mine for turkey hunting but it shoots a great buckshot pattern also. i think you can also get them from wing supply a little cheaper. but im going to warn you up front dont have a stroke when you see the price. i gave $85.00 for mine.
HUNTER
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