Call Making Supplies

[GonHuntin]

Bob

It doesn't have anything to do with basics......all closed reed calls work the same and all open reed calls work the same.......in fact, all mouth blown calls work by vibrating a reed! Those are the basics......

Maybe I didn't make myself clear......What I'm talking about is when someone copies the design of something that is already out there and then calls it their own.........in my opinion, it's the same as when Western Rivers copied the JS 512 design? The same thing applies to hand calls......it would be very easy for me to make knock-offs of Jay's Rhino calls, but I won't do it because that would be stealing his design! That may be strong language, but it is the same language that you use when referring to what Western Rivers did to Gerald Stewart....... ;D

I'm not trying to beat up on anyone here, and, as I posted earlier......if Bear is taking parts and pieces of other calls, and using those parts and pieces and his own ideas to design his own calls that are different from anything out there.......then he is certainly NOT stealing anyone's design.........

Hope that clears up any question as to what I meant! ;D

[Bobcat]

GH,

I knew what you meant.........it just didn't seem like it was coming across that way. Thanks for clearing it up!

Bob

[Krustyklimber]

Rick,

You are making a similar design as Mr. Cronk, not copying him... kinda like Chevy making pick-up trucks, even though Ford made the first one.
Chevy doesn't make copies of Fords.

You are doing just fine... keep on keepin' on!

I interpreted what GH said to basically mean, " don't make an exact weems copy (or any other existing call)... without saying it's a "replica".
That would be like stealing, giving credit for the design, by calling it a replica, is more like quoting another maker.
But I can see where his words could be taken as "kinda strong" if you read that into em... I didn't see it that way.

And being as how Mr. Cronk was nice enough to have posted the directions on how to make a call like his, I don't think he'd mind yours are similar.

And I think style is something that takes a long time to develope... it took me around a year the settle into a style that is my own, and along the way I tried many design elements used by others.

Frank Lloyd Wright once said, "I do not really design anything... I merely take the forms that nature has provided us, and combine them in a way that is pleasing to the soul."

Turning wood in a lathe is much like writing music, there are only so many design elements available, just like there are only so many notes... it's easy to have some calls have similar looks.

I can surely see similarities in GH's calls and Ryan Weiser's (of RAW Calls) wooden calls, but I'd never say one copied, or stole from, the other without them admitting so to me first.
I'll admit to flat out, to copying many things from many makers along the way... Slydog's serated end I tried once, I flat out copied the CritR Call standard's toneboard for a long time (holding them side by side for comparison, and shaping my calls identical to Major's design), and I owe everything to learning P.S. Olt's doubled reed design (that was the first place I ever saw it, I bet he didn't invent the idea either).

I think Bearman Rick has already shown a great sense of style in his closed reed antler calls, which are unique, with a simple elegance, and sound as good as any other closed reed custom call I own.

I have one of his first ones, and I'll always value it among my most prized called, it was made by my friend.

Krusty

P.S. Nimrod, .012 will work just fine. See this thread in it I wrote pretty much everything I could about tuning an open reed call, it should help you get that howler howlin'... if you need any other help just ask me either in a post or by private message.

Rick, LAYED OFF? no way... man I am sorry to here that, temporary seasonal thing or what?
I am not working this week either, we gotta get together, OK.

P.P.S. Gee thanks Nimrod... my wife looked over my shoulder while I was typing to you, and she told me to "lighten up, and quit calling guys names"... she thought I was just being mean Nimrod

[GonHuntin]

Krusty

I'd never heard of RAW calls until you mentioned it in your last post........

This is a RAW call:



These are my calls:

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They certainly don't look the same to me.......I know I had never seen one of his calls when I first started making mine many years ago, since I'd never heard of them until today......don't know how long he has been making calls, but I wouldn't consider what he does even close to being a copy of mine!

[Krustyklimber]

GH,

I said there were similarities, I never said copy.

sim·i·lar·i·ty

1 : the quality or state of being similar :

2 : a comparable aspect :

sim·i·lar

1 : having characteristics in common : strictly comparable

2 : alike in substance or essentials :









Okay... one of these things is not like the others, one of these things just isn't the same... ;D
It doesn't take a genius to guess which one it is.

I was talking in broad terms of design elements, I didn't mean to imply any of you even knew of each other... let alone any copying went on.

Krusty

[GonHuntin]

I can tell you one thing for certain.......I will never put anything that looks even remotely like the middle two near my mouth! ;D If those things were painted "flesh tone" they would be illegal in several states! ;D

[Krustyklimber]

GH,

The phallic implications of some of my customs, do have me thinking twice as I raise them to my lips...

But I am secure with my manhood, I get over it. lol

You, my friend, are a very interesting fellow... ;D

Krusty

[LoneHowl]

I gotta quit hanging out here