Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 3, 2003 23:24:24 GMT -5
Ok fellas it's that time to think about a new project for next year and I can't make up my mind with all the great choices out there so I need your help, I am ready to build another project rifle and can't make up my mind on caliber! wildcats don't bother me so from the following what chioce would you make? I already have the following .223, 22-250, 308, and 8mm, I'm looking for a caliber to kill those p-dogs with "S" on their chest, you know the ones way out there.
22-250
22-243
243
6mm
Offer suggestions! comments! anything to help.
Later,
Kirk S.
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Post by TexasDoc on Dec 3, 2003 23:29:05 GMT -5
how about a 260 Rem. that would work good on them.
Just ask TexasShooter about the 260.
TexasDoc
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Post by texasshooter on Dec 4, 2003 9:41:54 GMT -5
I don't have much experience with the .260 Rem and the lighter bullets. The 100gr is about the lightest bullet I have shot in it. Actually, my favorite "long range" prairie dog set up is a .243 Ackley Improved.. for several reasons.
1. You can get all the way down to 55gr bullets.
2. You can still fire factory ammo with great accuracy!
3. There is a ton of load data on the web for the .243AI
4. With the right twist and a 95-107 gr bullet shoot some oustanding groups at 1000yds.
That being said I am having a switch barrel 260 Rem built as we speak, but it will have a sporter barrel for big game hunting and a Hart match barrel for competition shooting.
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Post by BozoWise on Dec 4, 2003 10:16:33 GMT -5
Kirk if you already have the close range rifles covered and are looking for a long range round. I would highly recomend looking into a 25-06 it is a very well know long range round and I love the versitility and selection of bullets. Not an arm crusher either. You will need a rifle that can shoot heavier bullets to remain stable at the distances you are seeking. I have found anything less then about 110gr to be unstable at long range here since the wind is a major factor in southern NM.
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Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 4, 2003 19:04:19 GMT -5
I just sold my 25/06, it was an ok cartridge but I didn't like the rifle! it shot great but I just didn't care much for it. The 260 well 6.5-08 as I remember it sounds like it might be kinda interesting, wide choice of bullets, 308 brass, great BC on bullets, not a speed demon but neither is my 308. I'll have to look into this little round, might be something! Thanks for the info, keep it coming.
Later,
Kirk
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Post by CoonDawg on Dec 4, 2003 22:01:50 GMT -5
6.5-284 or 224 TTH
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Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 5, 2003 21:29:44 GMT -5
CoonDawg, with the 260 Rem being a factory load now is it worth the extra cost of brass and dies to load the 6.5-284? there ain't that much difference between the two from the load data I've looked at. The 224TTH if i recall is just the 22-6mm that someone put a new name on, it will throw the light bullets and the 75gr up bullets faster than the swift but it's kinda like the 6.5-284 to the 260 thing. Both are great rounds don't get me wrong but are they worth the extra effort?
Fellas thanks for the input but what I started out looking at I think the little ol' 260 is looking real promissing. I'm headed to the lake for a weekend of guys doing what we do best, not much of anything worth telling the ol' lady about! ;D
Kirk S.
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Post by CoonDawg on Dec 5, 2003 22:29:35 GMT -5
Well yes and no  , They can do better if you have the right barrel and loads. What about the 30 FBI? Yes its a new name with good barrel life and more has been done with the 30 cals bullet wise then anything else. The 30 FBI is a 338 win mag necked down to take a 30 cal bullet and there are some very good ones out there. |
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 6, 2003 16:21:47 GMT -5
Ive tried to stay outta this one ;D but,have you given any thought to the 6.5x55 Swede ,winchester makes it in the featherweight(I think).I have one that is a husquvarna M38(23in bbl vs 29 for the m96)the nice thing about it is I can load 85/90/100 gr bullets at the same vel as the 6mm rem or down load them to 250savage ,with 120s it is the same as or equal to the 257roberts ,with 140s it is equal to(or pretty darn close)to the 7mm08(7 ho 8 works at higher chamber pressure)the 260 which works at 55k(the swede being kept to 50k and much less by the factories)should be the equal or very close to what Ive been able to do with the swede,,,,,,now that my new chrono has arrived ill know alot more(just hope it isnt a disapointment if I can figure out how to work it )
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Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 8, 2003 20:23:20 GMT -5
CoonDawg good point I think? a lot of long range shooters use that 6.5-284 and i found that you can buy brass already formed! with all the stuff out there makes one wonder why it's still considered a wildcat!
1st cav sgt ret, your right, the 6.5x55 Mauser is a good round that will cover a broad range of hunting situations and not many people thin that those ol' dogs can keep up with the new boys on the block but hey they are still chambering the 6.5x55 so that's gotta tell you something. If I remember right isn't the head dia a little bigger than the standard .473? I don't know if that would cause a problem using a standard bolt face due to the fact this will be a year long build up rifle. Thanks again guys for the help I must admit the hardest part of a build up is the caliber choice!
Later Kirk
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 8, 2003 20:49:43 GMT -5
the europein version(chamber dims)requor a .480 head dia however US mfg is a little larger than 30-06 or .477 dia which useing euro ammo(norma/rws) in a win/ruger is a tight fit US mfg ammo uses 30-06 head dims I have fired Hornady/Fed and Win ammo in mine with no ill effects,brass can be made from 30-06(a closer fit uses 6mm rem brass)another ctg which is little known is the 6.5x57 which uses 8x57 brass necked down(or 6mm rem/257roberts/7x57)if you are building a custom rifle you can also go to a 6.5x55ackley improved(and shoot factory 6.5 ammo)the AI verson will add 150+ fps to the standard verson and will carry 4/5rounds in the mag.if you want to check out a good website checkout www.ammoguide.com enter run ammoguide and you can lookup the ctg dims on the swede then go to cartritdge creator and you can change dims,(use base dia.477 /dia at base of neck.465/max ctg length2.165/lgth to top of shoulder 1.856/lgth to top of body1.735)should be able to give 90/95gr about 3100/3200 easily(Im getting 3087 with 95gr hornadys outta my swede) |
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Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 9, 2003 19:00:45 GMT -5
Man oh man all the information!  1st cav sgt ret you must love the 6.5x55, you more about that round than I do about my wife ;D I have the RCBS load software and let me tell you I have played with 1000's of cool rounds that sound good but well reality sets in who needs a 6mm-505x2"? talk about short and fat! and still able to hold 98gr of water! barrel burner? fast? realistic? oh well I'm down to 6.5x55 or the 260 now, I think and that 6.5x57 is not that unheard of! but the one I saw would neck down 7x57 brass. Thanks again, Kirk S. |
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 9, 2003 19:44:35 GMT -5
yep gotta love it  its just so well rounded,have been reloading for it since 1980(just like the 30-06 ,dont get me started on that one!!)hey I tried to stay outta it ;D ;D |
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Ksmirk
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Post by Ksmirk on Dec 9, 2003 22:27:03 GMT -5
Glad you jumped in! hard to belive this started out with .224 and .243 caliber.
Later,
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Post by CoonDawg on Dec 21, 2003 0:52:10 GMT -5
Well you could look at the 6.5wsm, just don't tell Bozo that it will reach out to 1200+ yards and still take out deer   ;D |
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its just so well rounded,have been reloading for it since 1980(just like the 30-06 ,dont get me started on that one!!)hey I tried to stay outta it ;D ;D
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