exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 16, 2003 4:39:05 GMT -5
I recently had a custom rifle built in the 22-243 caliber. I haven't ordered my dies yet. I was wondering if any body had any experience with either the bushing dies or the inline bullet seater with micrometer? Are they worth the added expense? I know that concentric ammo is paramount to accuracy, but won't regular dies do an adequate job?
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 16, 2003 7:54:57 GMT -5
I dont have any experiance with the bushing sizer dies,however when I had my wildcat 35gibb built I went to hornady dies which have an inline bullet seater,and I like it a lot,I have begun changing all my die sets over to hornadys,I dont use the micrometer option(yet)but it might be good if you were doing a lot of experimenting with different bullet shapes
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 16, 2003 22:46:39 GMT -5
Thanks 1st cav sgt. How much $ were your dies. Did you order from a supplier or did you order from Hornady direct? Thanks again
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 17, 2003 6:34:58 GMT -5
it was right at $100.00 +plus shipping I think,I went direct to hornady 1-800-338-3220,they will make dies from fired ctgs or from chamber drawings,be advised it takes 8 to 10 weeks tho(redding will also but at 200.00 each they are way to expensive,rcbs doesnt make wildcats anymore)
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 17, 2003 12:35:50 GMT -5
Great! 1st cav sgt. Who built your rifle? Forgive me, I am not familiar with your wildcat 35gibb. Tell me a little about the caliber. What is it used for?
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 17, 2003 16:40:21 GMT -5
most anything that walks  ,the best description would be go to www.ammoguide.com click on run ammoguide and look for it under descripions,it is baised on the 280rem case(mikes at 2.5 vs 2.494 for the 30-06)there are several versions of the same thing,the 35brown/whelen,35gibbs,358hawk and the 35 howell it is the next level up from the 35whelen in that it takes a 250gr bullet to 2650/2700fps for about 4000foot lbs energy and is very close to the 358norma or slightly less than a 375H&H(poormans verson origonally)without being a magnum(ie it carries 4 rounds in the mag vs 3 for most magnums)mine is an E.R.Shaw rebarreled VZ-24 M98 Mauser I have done most all the stock work myself |
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 17, 2003 17:01:40 GMT -5
Wow! now that's an "exitwound"
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Post by 1st cav sgt ret on Dec 17, 2003 18:14:00 GMT -5
oops that should be under draw on that website,if you go to z-hat custom under loads for 358hawk it will give load data,and yes according to mr Elmer Keith big hole in and bigger hole out
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 17, 2003 19:07:26 GMT -5
Under the run amo guide it did list the specicications. 250 grains of lead at 2700 lbs ought to let alot of air out of what ever you shoot. Thats the same wt bullet I shoot in my muzzleloader!
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Post by littletoes on Dec 17, 2003 20:28:05 GMT -5
Its all about pin-point accuracy. And how well your new rifle was built. Did your smith use a very tight neck reamer when building your rifle? Which caliber did you have made? I have purchased my Redding dies for $120.00. That is the full blown Competition Neck Die Set. Redding also has Type "S" dies that take the bushings. They are a little less. With these dies, you can vary your neck tension, or just neck size brass. Finer adjustments all-around.
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 18, 2003 9:21:09 GMT -5
I dont know about the reamer, I assume it was a standard reamer for the 22-243 Winchester. My gunsmith manufactures the barrels right there in his shop. The barrel was lapped also he squared the bolt face and lapped the lugs on my rifle. He guaranteed it to shoot MOA . It is a Ruger 77. On a Remington 700 in that caliber he guarantees 1/2" MOA. Wouldn't I still need the full length sizing die set with the Competition Neck Die set?
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Post by littletoes on Dec 18, 2003 19:23:45 GMT -5
Thats the deal with reloading, there is no "one-way" of doing anything. I always start out with brass that is first full length sized before loading in my rifle (talking new brass here). After it is fire-formed to fit the chamber in that particular rifle, then you may either neck size or full length resize, or possibly neck size, with just a "little" shuolder bump. You may also choose to "turn necks" on your brass, or not. The accuracy boys (benchresters) neck size, mostly. With the neck bushing dies you can customize your neck tension, can't do that with regular dies. Of cource, this may be getting in a little deaper than you actually want to at this time. Is sounds like your 'smith knows what he's doing. What weight/shape bullets are going to be shooting? And, what ranges are you going to be shooting? Is sounds like a very fast cartrige, designed for longer ranges. Maybe just begging for bigger/heavier bullets, all depends on the twist or your barrel.
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exitwound
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Post by exitwound on Dec 18, 2003 20:18:10 GMT -5
That's right little toes it is a long range caliber. The twist rate is 1 and 9. I wanted a 22 cal rifle that would shoot 75 and 80gr bullets close to 4000 fps. I may go with standard fl dies with a neck sizer but I also like the idea of that inline bullet seater.
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Post by littletoes on Dec 20, 2003 0:11:08 GMT -5
Try Sinclair's. They have a great catalog, and show Redding dies with exactly what you want. Don't have one right here now, so I can't tell you what they are called. Possibly their type "S" dies with a competition seater. Good luck, keep us posted!
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