fishman
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Post by fishman on Jan 27, 2004 0:13:19 GMT -5
I agree great info Jeff, but you know what they say about old dogs. I still go with clean after every first 20 shots and then after every5 for the next 50. Moly,Hmmm, I,ve been expir. with it in differ rifles for about 3 years and I believe the barrel "coating" is the answer., Great Stuff!! always learning somethin new  |
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Post by Bobcat on Jan 27, 2004 8:36:34 GMT -5
Old dog.....new tricks.....
Well, y'all have nudged me. I decided to go the Flitz route on my new Savage 22-250. I cleaned the barrel well with Butch's when I got it. Then I gave it 100 passes with Flitz, cleaned it with Butch's, a coulpe of dry patches, a couple of Kroil patches, and a couple of dry patches. I took it to the range to zero it and try some loads I already had worked up for my old HCR 22-250. I intentionally fired a total of 40 rounds without cleaning. The groups for the 3 loads I tested for accuarcy ran from .526 to .776 (the .776 was with 60 gr. Partitions). When I got back from the range I did a normal cleaning with Butch's. It cleaned up quickly and there was not a significant amount of copper.
Bob
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MarkA
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Post by MarkA on Jan 27, 2004 22:07:10 GMT -5
Was just gonna post 'How to Breakin an AR-15 Barrel' when I saw this post. Wow, what to do now? Question: what is the 'Flitz Thing'. I know (have some) that Flitz is an outstanding metal polish. How does/what does it do to rifle bores?
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Post by BozoWise on Jan 27, 2004 23:51:27 GMT -5
Just like you said it is a great metal polish to clean up the barrel  |
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Post by Bobcat on Jan 28, 2004 0:15:45 GMT -5
J-B Paste, Flitz, and RemClean are abrasives that can be used to smooth out your new barrel and to clean periodically as needed for any larger build ups. Like Sweet's, use only as needed........
Bob
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Bronc
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Post by Bronc on Jan 28, 2004 0:36:13 GMT -5
allright, allready! Where's the little icon for "now I'm scratching my head"?? JEFF!! I aplaud your research, thanx. It's all good stuff and sound reasoning behind it all.
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Post by CRITRGETR on Jan 28, 2004 17:29:48 GMT -5
Great post Jeff!
I shot NRA HP Rifle for a number of years, shot all Moly coated bullets. Made clean up a breeze. (Kroil & JB). My AR15 has 3000 rounds thru it & still shoots real well out to 300 yrds. It has a CMoly Douglas 1-8 which I broke in using a similar process. The throat is gone but the bore still looks good.
I just received a new Savage BVSS 22-250 today. I put a bore scope in it & I didn't like what I saw. The bore/rifling is rough & I plan to lap/break it in.
The high end barrel makers lap there barrels when they finish the rifling operation as I understand it. Removes the burrs.
My .02
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Ricochet
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Post by Ricochet on Jan 28, 2004 22:07:00 GMT -5
I have had two new rifles (a Weatherby Vanguard 300 wby Mag and a Remmy 788 .223) in the past two years and didn't do anything dramatic for any break-in period and both of them turned out to be real shooters. The ONLY rifle I've ever done the formal break-in thing with is my Vanguard .300 Weatherby. At the time (6 years ago) I'd been reading all of the "expert" opinions about it on Shooters and thought I'd better do it. It is a real shooter. But it also still builds up more copper fouling than any rifle I've ever handled, and it's a pregnant dog to get all the copper out of it. Doesn't seem to hurt its shooting any, though. IMO barrel breakin is wasted effort and completely silly, but if it makes you feel more confident, go for it. I believe the story about the invention by a barrel maker to sell more barrels. If I recall correctly, Dan Lilja is the one who told that story. |
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Ricochet
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Post by Ricochet on Jan 28, 2004 22:09:56 GMT -5
Oops! I think it was Shilen, not Lilja, who said that.
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Ricochet
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Post by Ricochet on Jan 28, 2004 22:18:43 GMT -5
Oh and to everyones amazement or common knowledge. Clerke claims the best out of the box rifle barrel is Savage handsdown. Oh, BTW: My new Savage .22-250 didn't get broken in, just shot. I never even put a rod through the bore till about 600 shots had gone through it. Its accuracy wasn't suffering, I was just cleaning others and thought I'd do it. Got lots of black soot from IMR 7383 out of it, but couldn't find a trace of blue copper. |
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MaBell
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Post by MaBell on Jan 29, 2004 15:50:27 GMT -5
Ricochet, I agree with you about this being a waste of time. At most I may fire 5 shots cleaning between each one, but I question the need. "If you have a good barrel it doesn't need break-in,,,,, ,,,,,and if it ain't a good barrel break-in ain't a gonna change it" MaBell said that.  Good Shootin' Friends, MaBell |
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MaBell
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Post by MaBell on Jan 29, 2004 16:05:38 GMT -5
By-the-way, that was an excellent post Jeff and welcome to the board. Good research work on your part, and your findings are spot-on. I've been an engineer for about 35 years. Design for the first 30 years and specializing in Quality Control for the last 5 years. Analysis is the heart of what I do, and I enjoy seeing someone handle a project the way you did this. Job well done. |
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Bearcat
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Post by Bearcat on Jan 29, 2004 20:11:18 GMT -5
The article Bozowise is referring to is a really informative article about the topics above.He also mentions that having a barrel deepfrozen {cryrogenics or sumthin like that } is a waste of money also.I know I have opened another can of worms but what the hell!!!
Bearcat
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fishman
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Post by fishman on Jan 30, 2004 0:40:59 GMT -5
Bearcat, the cans open now, hey my good friend Kevin swears it reduces his groups to have his new barrels put "Into the Future Freeze"!!! how about it out there anyone else expir with Kryo?  ? |
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Post by cdngunner on Feb 3, 2004 11:24:24 GMT -5
Kryo might improve accuracy, but its main advantage is that it extends the life of the barrel. this procedure is used a lot for tool and die shops
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