Rifle Choice for Predator Hunting?

[okcoyote]

for those as ignorant as i..........................what is a
tact20......and while we are at it what the heck is a
50 beowulf......

[Bobcat]

okcoyote,

BayouCityBoy here at the Posse has one. Here is his description from another thread here in the Rifles forum:

"The 20 Tactical is a 223 with the shoulder pushed back slightly and necked down to take a .204 diameter bullet.

Most barrels are 1 in 12" twist - there are a few 1 in 13" twist barrels that were made when Hornady was the only bullet maker. The 1 in 13 will not stabilize the longer bullets. Velocity on the 33 is @ 4200-4300 FPS -

I get about 3800 FPs with a 44 Gr hand swaged HP and 3950 FPS with a 38 Gr HP. It kinda' like a 17 on steroids - very litttel recoil or muzzle jump so you can generally see what you hit.

Todd Kindler (Small Caliber News) developed the 20 Tactical a few years ago. Hornady and Berger make the only factory available bullets - Hornady in 33 grain and Berger used to make a 36 grainer and have just come out with 30, 35, 40 and 50. Not sure how many of the Bergers have hit the shelf yet.

There is a pretty good internet site with 20 cal information: search for "twenty caliber" and it will show up.

I hand swage my own 20 cal. bullets, so can make about anything I can come up with. I like a 38 gr HP and a 44 Gr HP the best of what I have made. "

BayouCityBoy

[BozoWise]

Alexander Arms LLC is the manufacturer of the new cartridge and weapon system that is based upon the AR-15 family of rifles. Located at the U.S. Army Radford Arsenal in Virginia, Alexander Arms is involved in several interesting projects with military, law enforcement, and civilian applications, but the focus of this article deals with their innovative Beowulf rifle concept. In building the .50 Beowulf rifle, Alexander Arms has taken the proven AR-15 design and adapted it to reliably fire and function with an entirely new and much more powerful cartridge.

The Alexander Arms .50 Beowulf cartridge packs awesome power in the AR-15 system. Think of it as a lightweight, handy, semi-auto .45/70 but with a larger diameter bullet and greater velocity. The .50 Beowulf uses a bullet of a true .500 caliber, with loaded ammunition offered from the factory in either a 400-grain soft point or a 325-grain hollow point, with velocities listed at 1800 and 1950 feet-per-second, respectively. This kind of power radically changes the performance aspect of the AR-15 type rifle while retaining the excellent handling and shooting qualities of the weapon. The .50 Beowulf cartridge utilizes possibly the maximum diameter bullet in the biggest case that can be made to reliably function in an AR-15, while operating at a relatively low pressure to assure smooth operation and longevity of the rifle.

From outward appearances, the Beowulf is just another high quality AR-15, until you look into the hole in the end of the barrel, which resembles a piece of rifled water pipe! That half-inch hole looks completely out of place on an AR-15, and really changes the performance concept of the weapon.

The standard magazine accepts seven of the fat Beowulf cartridges. The magazine is a slightly modified standard .223 AR-15/M-16 magazine, and larger capacity magazines can be used with the Beowulf by carefully bending the feed lips to reliably feed the larger cartridge. I managed to get twelve of the .50 caliber cartridges into a 30 round AR magazine. The .50 Beowulf cartridge has a rebated rim to fit the standard and readily available 7.62x39 bolt face. In fact, Alexander Arms has wisely built the Beowulf rifle to use as many standard AR-15 parts as possible.

Besides the obvious hunting uses for the Beowulf, there are many tactical situations in which the penetration and power of a 400-grain half-inch bullet fired from an AR-15 type weapon could be very advantageous. The .223 is notorious in exhibiting poor penetration of automobile glass and other obstacles. The .50 Beowulf can easily penetrate barricade material and still engage the target with power to spare. There are many law enforcement situations in which the standard-issue handgun or shotgun lacks the power and accuracy to do the job. Every highway patrol car should have a powerful, handy carbine such as the Beowulf as standard equipment. Every rural sheriff’s deputy should have such a rifle at his disposal.

In designing and building the .50 Beowulf, Alexander Arms has taken a proven weapons system and made it better. The .50 Beowulf does away with the only valid criticism of the AR-15, that being the .223 cartridge. The Beowulf places real power in a compact, accurate, and reliable package.

Alexander Arms provides the rifles, ammo, reloading components, and accessories for the .50 Beowulf through licensed dealers or directly to law enforcement. View the .50 Beowulf and other weapons online at:

www.alexanderarms.com.

[okcoyote]

hey bobcat and bozow.


thanks for the information....you all is a wealth of it....


thanx...okcoyote

[Ricochet]

I'm still pretty skeptical that any of those .20s as a varmint round will accomplish anything that the good old .22-250 won't.

[BozoWise]

As most of my rifles go... want not need

[Ricochet]

Oh, yeah!
;D

[ICMCumin]

BozoWise said:

As most of my rifles go... want not need

Hey Bozo - Retired Texas Senator Phil Graham said it best - " I have all the gunds I need, but I don't have all the guns I want."

[SONG DOG]

Mine is the 22-250. I got 2. Remington 700 VS with a Bushnell 6x18x50AO, harris bipod. I load it with a 50 V-Max moly with 36 grns Varget. The other is my truck gun (rides along with me) Savage mdl 11 with the same Bushnell scope as above. The Remington I call it my "Ole Girl". I got a group I shot at 200 yards on the Hodgdon web site success story section. Since then I have shot a better group with it (Remington VS). When you work up just the right load you can make a rifle deadly accurate.
Some day I may look in to a AR .223. flattop

God Bless,

SONG DOG

[Bobcat]

SONG DOG,

What can I say but......WOW!! That is some pretty tight shooting!!


I am partial to the 22-250 as well......I have had all Rems, but I just got a Savage Model 11 myself in 22-250.

Bob

[ACKLEYMAN]

Its hard to make a decision which rifle to take coyote hunting. I have several choices:
Rem. 700 bdl .223
Rem 700 Classic .221 fireball
Rem. 700 .250 Ackley Improved
DPMS panther bull .223
Rem. 700 VS 22-250
Savage 110 .308

Here in Walker County where we do most of our hunting, I prefer my 250 ackley imp. since we usually run across hogs while calling coyotes.
75 gr. Hornady V max or Nosler 85 gr. bal tip puts those dogs down hard. I don't worry about hide damage to much. Was out calling last night and came across a good size boar hog, V max right behind shoulder at 210 yards took him out. He ran about 50 yds and drop over dead.

[1st cav sgt ret]

this is my varmit rifle a 6.5x55 swede loaded with a 100gr nosler BT at 3059

[todbartell]

1st said:

this is my varmit rifle a 6.5x55 swede loaded with a 100gr nosler BT at 3059

I can attest to that bullet at that speed on coyotes very powerful, i shot one at 70 yards, blew a fist sized hole out the far side of the shoulder

[TOMCAT]

I have shot 2 foxes with 223 55 grain soft points & lordy what a hole they made .Been thinkin about a 22 hornet ; but think it might be too lite in the *ss for coyotes . what y'all think ?.